• When is the Rapture?

  • Introduction

  • How old is this theory?

  • The theories

  • What does the bible say?

  • Beginning Remarks

    I know this is a touchy subject and i could be wrong on things, so I want to start out with a prayer. “Father in heaven, guide us all as we study your word and attempt to rightly divide the word of truth. Please break any deceptions out of our minds, and lead us into all truth. I pray this for everyone listening, that they will find the truth. You told us in John 16:13 that Your Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth, I pray any false preconceived notions be broken for everyone listening, and that Your Holy Spirit will declare the things to come to each of us and you told us it would. Amen.”

    These are going to be my thoughts on this subject from the studying I’ve done all year. I want to quickly explain my positions over the years.

    First I grew up hearing that the rapture would happen pre-tribulation because that is what is shown in movies. As some point out, this could be because they want to fake a rapture at some point. But none of the churches I went to have ever taught on the rapture in church. I’m actually surprised to hear that people will say your preacher must have filled your head with lies. Most preachers will not get into the controversial subjects in church buildings it would hurt their bottom line. Then God woke me up last year with a dream and led me here. But on the way I got sidetracked, I started listening to truther channels, because most of what I had learned my whole life was propaganda and mind control brainwashing from school, tvs, movies, NASA, etc.

    So these truther channels started saying that the pre-tribulation rapture was not biblical, and it was more biblical to say that we will leave in the middle or at the very end. I listened to some videos on it, and they had compelling scriptures that said people were going to leave at those times, and be in some of the tribulation.

    So I got prepared mentally and spiritually and believed God would protect me through everything and there was nothing to worry about, so I stopped worrying about it, and continued doing what I was led to do. I got led to Informed Christians channel, and I actually suggested people check it out, but I would say to them, but I don’t agree with the pretrib stance he has.

    But over months, he kept bringing up scriptures that didn’t make sense if we would be leaving at the middle or the end of tribulation. I finally got to the point, where I just could not hold on to that belief anymore and switched back to pre-trib. Scripture cannot contradict itself. God is not the author of confusion. So, I know people are probably listening, thinking of all the scriptures that state people are going to be here during tribulation, which is absolutely true. But there are scriptures that those who believe we’re going to go through the tribulation time period cannot explain away. It’s the only reason I switched over time. The bible was Holy Spirit inspired and we have to study to show ourselves approved. So that’s what this video is going to be about.

  • Definition of the time period

    Though I called it the tribulation, this is not the title of the time period. It is never called tribulation or great tribulation as a title. Tribulation means persecution, affliction, distress.

    http://biblehub.com/greek/2347.htm

    It is something we as believers are currently going through. If you are not going through tribulations currently, then something is wrong with your walk. We are called to walk as Jesus did, and die to our fleshy wills and do God’s will instead each day. We are to be offering ourselves and our lives as a sacrifice to God just like Jesus did. When you are doing this, you will be hated even by your own brethren.

    Matthew 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

    The word for tribulation there is Strongs Greek number 2347 thlipsis

    Revelation 7:14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    The word for tribulation there is Strongs Greek number 2347 thlipsis

    This is not a title, it is a description of what the people went through.

    Both verses imply those aren’t Christians, but I’ll get into that later.

    So what is the time period really called in the bible? Is there a title? Yes, there is.

    Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

    The word for trouble here is Strongs Hebrew number 6869 tsarah which means “adversary, adversity, affliction, anguish, distress, tribulation, trouble”

    So this is actually the time of Jacob’s tribulation. The reason the post trib/mid trib or pre-wrath people will not talk about this is because the bible literally spells it out for us.

    The great tribulation in Revelation is the same thing as the day that is so great, the time of Jacob’s tribulation in Jeremiah 30:7. If you do not believe me, please study it yourself.

    Jacob is another name for Israel. This is the time of Israel’s tribulation, great tribulation at that.

    I also did a study on the book of Esther using the Greek version and I’ll leave the link below to that video and pdf. The whole story seems to me to be an allegory for the time of Jacob’s trouble. In it, one of the versions reads “So he made known to her the tribulation of Israel.”

    The bible is clear that the great tribulation has been planned for Israel as it was shown in the Old Testament that this time period would come.

    The reason this matters, is because the time period is supposed to having absolutely nothing to do with Christians, which I will get into here.

  • How old is this theory?

    One thing people like to say is that the idea of a rapture is a new concept, that it was created in the 1800’s. I’m going to read a little bit from an article by Doc Marquis, the ex-Satanic witch who exposes the pagan ideas of Roman Catholicism.

    I’ll leave the link below if you want to read more.

    Quote

    “ The reason so many people are saying that the word Rapture is only a recent term for certain Biblical events, is mainly due to an event that happened back in 1830.
    Back in 1830 a 15 year old girl of Irish/Scottish decent named Margaret McDonald, had a vision of a “Post-Tribulation” Rapture. Notice carefully, her vision was a “Post-Tribulation” vision and not a “Pre-Tribulation” Rapture. She said:
    1) “This is the fiery trial which is to try us – It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus.”
    2) “The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept.”
    Notice carefully how Margaret stated that this fiery trial (the Tribulation Period) is meant to try the real members of the body of Jesus. And, note especially, Margaret tells us this trying comes from the Antichrist. Well, no matter which perspective you come from, this so-called trying of the members of the body of Jesus, could only happen during, or shortly after the Tribulation Period and “not” before it. In other words, Margaret McDonald’s so-called vision was “not” a “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” vision. Yet, so many people, False Apostles and False Teachers don’t tell you that. All they’ll usually tell you is that the Rapture of the Church teachings began with Margaret McDonald. They purposely leave out the part that hers’ was a Post-Tribulation perspective as she claims it to have been and “not” a Pre-Tribulation Rapture perspective.
    It is from the vision of Margaret McDonald, that John Nelson Darby, in 1861, supposedly used the word “Rapture” to describe what Margaret had seen once he had heard of her so-called vision. This would mean that the word Rapture (as a Biblical application) originated back in 1861 and no sooner. That is utter and complete nonsense, and I am going to prove it! I am going to start in the 20th century and work myself all the way back to the 4th century and show all of you good folks, who are reading this article, that the Biblical applications for the wordRapture is much older than 1861.

    Historical usages of the word “Rapture”
    The following is only a partial list of literary works that contain a Biblical application of the word Rapture. I used some examples after 1861 to show that the true understanding and application of the word Rapture was not changed, but still cherished and being held onto despite how desperately hard Satan has tried to destroy it.
    1) 1909 – Scofield Reference Bible
    2) 1878 – “Jesus is Coming” – William Eugene Blackstone
    3) 1866 – “Hereward the Wake” – Charles Kinglsey (He was “rapt” up on high and saw Saint Peter).
    4) 1748 – “New Testament Commentary” – John Gill
    5) 1738 – “New Testament Commentary” – Philip Doddridge
    6) 1667 – “Paradise Lost” – John Milton (“Rapt” in a Chariot drawn by fiery Steeds).
    7) 1610 – “Display of Heraldry” – John Guillim (To this place…were Enoch, Elias and Paul “rapt” up fore their deaths).
    8) 1526 – “Pilgrim of Perfection” – William Bond (When he was “rapt” & taken up in to the thryde heuen) Note - from the Middle English, thryde heuen is rendered to be…”third heaven”
    9) 1432 – 1450 – “Polychronicon” – Ranulf Higden (Helyas was “rapte” in this tyme).
    10) 1412 – 1420 – “Chronicle of Troy” – John Lydgate (in this wyse were the brethren twayne To heauen “rapt”, as these poetes fayne). Note
    - from the Middle English this sentence would read as: “in this wise were the two brothers to Heaven raptured,” into our Modern Day English.
    11) 1400 – “Vernon Manuscript” – “By visions of seynt poul when he was “rapt” into paradys) Note * - from the Middle English it would read into our Modern Day American English as: “By visions of Saint Paul when he was ‘rapt’ (raptured) into Paradise.”
    12) 325 – Latin Vulgate – “rapio” (I Thes. 4:17)
    The reason there are a number of various ways to spell “rapture” over the centuries of English speaking nations is based on linguistic evolution. In other words, as languages change, so do the spelling of certain words. In the case of the word “rapture”:
    1) The Ancient Latin is “rapio/rapere” and other such usages
    2) In the Early English Period (1066 – 1154) “rapture” was spelled “rapt”
    3) In the Middle English Period (1154 – 1485) “rapt” would be spelled as “rapte”
    4) And, nowadays, we would spell the word as “rapture”
    There is nothing more to it than that! It is simply a matter of linguistic evolution or change.

    The Historical Concept of “Pre-Tribulation Rapture”
    The blatant lie (knowingly or unknowingly) that the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church is a new concept that can only be traced back to 1830 is simply that…a lie! I shall now present to you good people another literary list and, this one will prove, once and for all, that the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church if “not” a new concept, but was a teaching that came directly from the Apostles themselves. This list will begin “before” 1830” and turn all the way back to the 1st Century A.D.
    1) 1792 – Thomas Scott – he taught that the righteous will be carried to Heaven where they will be secure until the time of the judgment is over.
    2) 1763 – James Macknight – he also taught that the righteous will be carried to heaven until the judgment is over with.
    3) 1748 – John Gill (Commentary on the New Testament) – teaches of the imminent return of Christ, firstly in Rapture, and then He will return again to judge the earth (Armageddon).
    4) 1744 – Morgan Edwards (founder of the Ivy League School, Brown University) wrote of his “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” beliefs.
    5) 1738 – Phillip Doddrige (Commentary on the New Testament) teaches along the same lines of John Gill; a “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” perspective.
    6) 1687 – Peter Jurieu – (“Approaching Deliverance of the Church”) Christ would return during the Rapture and take His saints to Heaven and later return at the Battle of Armageddon.
    7) 1674 – 1748 – Isaac Watts (known as the Father of the English Hymn) wrote of his “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” belief. (As a side note, Isaac Watts was solely responsible for writing over 1,000 Christian hymns if I recall the numbers correctly. Study his life because it was truly a miraculous one by all definitions of the word).
    8) 1674 – Thomas Collier – makes reference in the belief to the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture”.
    9) 1532 – 1591 – Francisco Rivera wrote of his “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church beliefs
    10) 431 – 1500 – Any mention of Pre-Tribulation (Millennial) Rapture of the Church perspectives are outlawed by the Catholic Church and deemed heretical and punishable by death!!!
    11) 431 – The Council of Ephesus; the Catholic Church decrees and condemns Pre-Millennial views as heresy. Books and such are destroyed or altered.
    The following all wrote of the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church:
    12) 354 – 430 – Augustine, Bishop of North Africa
    13) 306 – 373 – Ephraem of Nisibus
    14) ? - 204 – Victorinus, Bishop of Petau
    15) 200 – 258 - Cyrian
    16) 170 – 236 – Hippolytus of Rome
    17) 150 – 272 – Apocalypse of Elijah (an Extra-Biblical book)
    18) 120 – 202 – Ireaneus (“Against Heresies”)
    19) 36 – 108 – Ignatius of Antioch, the Third Bishop and Patriarch of Antioch (who as a student of John the Apostle) – His “Letters of Extra-Biblical works are:
    a. Letter to the Ephesians
    b. Letter to the Magnesians
    c. Letter to the Trallians
    d. Letter to the Romans
    e. Letter to the Philadelphians
    f. Letter to the Smyrnaeans
    g. Letter to Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna

    1. ? – 99 A.D. – Clement of Rome, “Letter to the Corinthians” also known as “I Clement” (an Extra-Biblical book).
      And let me say for the record: “I personally challenge those of the Mid-Tribulation perspective or Post-Tribulation perspective to come up with a literary list, such as I had just presented, that will demonstrate their belief.” This is my personal challenge!
      Even though the Catholic Church tried to destroy and suppress any writings or teachings on the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church, which is easily dated all the way back to the Apostles themselves, they had failed. The “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church, which is the “oldest”of all the Biblical perspectives, could not be stopped. It originates with the Apostles of Jesus Christ during the first century, taught to their students, and continues on to this very day. The Mid-Tribulation and Post-Tribulation teachings (which are grossly false ones) are the new teachings and not the original teaching of Jesus Christ, nor of His chosen Apostles or their students. Those are teachings and creations of man and not of God.”

    End Quote.

    http://nunezreport.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-rapture-by-doc-marquis-part-1.html

    I also did a video on The Shepherd of Hermas which is a second century Christian work. I was not attempting to prove a rapture from this extra biblical work, but rather to see how someone in that time period thought of the rapture, or tribulation period. The vision he described pointed to a pre trib rapture to me. But the link will be below if you want to check it out. Obviously if people in that time period believed in a pretrib rapture, it wasn’t a new idea or theory back then.

    Also the pre-wrath rapture idea in particular was introduced to me last summer and I had never heard of it before.

    We should be wary of “new” ideas about old doctrine.

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    The word for falling away is Strongs Greek 646. apostasia, or where we get the word apostasy from, which is a departure from the principles of the religion, or faith.

    We’re seeing a clear falling away from the gospel that was preached. We’re told to not let anyone deceive us. As I started this video out with a prayer to this effect. If you think you can tell truth from lies without praying for help from God, that’s pride. We are to humble ourselves and realize we’ve all been fooled by something, and we need God’s help to not be deceived.

    That’s what I did last year, and I have learned more truths this past year than my whole life combined beforehand.

    Ask and you shall receive.

    So we’re told people will fall away from the teachings of the gospel.

    To me, and my studies, I have to say the idea of a pretribulation rapture is not new. People have believed in it for a long time, and I don’t want you to take my word on it, go and study yourselves, praying for guidance. Because you will not believe what I say, but you will believe what God shows you.

  • The Catholic Church wants to fake a Millennium Reign

    Another thing some people like to say is that the Jesuits who work for the Catholic Church somehow created the pre-tribulation rapture idea. I’m going to read from a site, because he has a way with words concerning this and to prove I am not making this up.

    “There are those who claim that the pretribulation rapture is an evil deception because it was invented by evil Jesuits (the evil henchmen of the Catholic Church) for the purpose of deceiving and countering the Protestant reformation, and to distract from the prophetic interpretation of the reformers that the Pope was the antichrist.

    For a long time, I felt it unnecessary to investigate these claims, for several obvious reasons. Most importantly, the doctrine of the rapture does not stand or fall on who may have first noticed and taught certain elements of doctrine in scripture. The rapture doctrine is valid only if it is supported by scripture. The Protestant reformation was based on turning to scripture to resolve matters.

    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    That alone should be enough to put this entire matter to rest, and nothing more need be said. It is obvious that we must agree that something true, such as 2+2=4, remains true, even when such a truth is spoken by a liar, or the most evil man. Truth does not become untrue just because an evil or stupid man speaks it. Therefore, there is simply no basis for the claim that the rapture is an evil deception because futurism was once taught by an evil Jesuit. I could read 1000 pages on how the Jesuits are evil, and I can even agree on that. I could even read about, and agree that, an evil Jesuit expounded the doctrine of futurism for the evil purpose of trying to discredit the Protestant reformation. But neither of those facts has any bearing on the truthfulness of the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture.

    Further, not only is the entire idea of the “Jesuit rapture” irrelevant (only scripture is relevant) but also, the idea is absurd. The doctrine of the pretribulation rapture is simply not taught by the Catholic Church! Therefore, the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture condemns the Catholic Church because it makes the Catholic Church into a “false prophet” since they do not teach it!

    Yet, despite these self-evident truths which destroy the claims that “the pretribulation rapture is an evil deception because it was invented by evil Jesuit Catholics”, there is no shortage of web sites that take this position. You can find many such web sites if you go to a search engine and search for “rapture jesuit ribera”. “

    end quote. The link is below if you want to read more.

    The Catholic Church needs people to NOT believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. I will discuss their opinions here, but also leave another video below concerning why the Pre-trib rapture destroys Roman Catholic Doctrine.

    The Catholic doctrine is that people need to go through purgatory to have sins burned out of them, they need to suffer to get rid of their sins to be clean for heaven, but they can’t do that until they die and go to purgatory. This is obvious when they say you can’t be completely free of sins on earth, it’s why they need to continually come back to church to get forgiven by a priest. In their doctrine if you commit a sin after being forgiven and don’t get to a priest for forgiveness, then die, you’re not going to heaven. The next stop would have to be hell or purgatory before you enter heaven.

    This cannot work with the rapture, because those who are saved go up, they don’t have to go to purgatory first. The idea of suffering for your sins, such as purgatory, before getting to see the kingdom of God is also the idea of having to go through the great tribulation, which is why I say the post-trib doctrine is basically Catholic.

    People who believe in the post tribulation rapture believe that those who don’t are somehow weak or scared to go through the tribulations that are coming. I see this comment a lot from them. Which is telling in and of itself, because if you are saying this line just like everybody else, it means you’re brainwashed to believe something. If you honestly believe it because you’ve studied it you wouldn’t be arguing the exact same points everyone else who has been brainwashed is arguing. But I digress. These post tribbers think that they have to go through a purifying time when their faith is going to be tested, so that they don’t take the mark of the beast.

    Why don’t they realize we’re going through tribulations right now? Why don’t think they’re being tested on their faith right now? We’re supposed to be sacrificing our lives right now to do God’s will and going through the tribulations right now.

    Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given unto us.

    We’re supposed to be glorying in tribulations right now. Why do think of it as a horrible thing that we’re not yet going through?

    It’s because it’s a Catholic teaching that keeps people focused on future problems and not focused on the fact that we are supposed to be going through the tribulations and being chastised by God currently.

    2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

    The Catholic doctrine keeps people from thinking we’re supposed to be doing this right now. Those of us who are going through this right now, are getting purified, convicted, chastised by God so that we will grow stronger and stronger right now.

    John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he prunes it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

    In verse 2 it says God is pruning us, which is to clean or purify. This is seen with the barley, you throw it up into the air, and the wind takes away the chaff. The wind is the Holy Spirit and the chaff is our sin. If we listen to the Holy Spirit convicting us, we are letting the wind take away our sin. Then when we are pruned, we will bear more fruit of the spirit. This is what we are to be doing right now. The branches that are not in Christ, are not bearing fruit currently and are thrown into the fire, which is symbolic of the time of Jacob’s Tribulation. You can see my video The World is Condemned to Die Already for my interpretation of Lazarus and the Rich man being the time of Jacob’s tribulation.

    But back to the Catholic Church and what they believe. I checked out a few Catholic pages and will read some of it, and leave the links below.

    From Catholic.com

    “What’s the Catholic Position?

    As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general, including that of the Protestant Reformers), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.

    With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—“we will be caught up,” “

    So the church has rejected the premillennial position. This is their description of that from a little earlier on the page

    “Premillennialism

    Third on the list is premillennialism, currently the most popular among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals (though a century ago amillennialism was). Most of the books written about the End Times, such as Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth, are written from a premillennial perspective.

    Like postmillennialists, premillennialists believe that the thousand years is an earthly golden age during which the world will be thoroughly Christianized. Unlike postmillennialists, they believe that it will occur after the Second Coming rather than before, so that Christ reigns physically on earth during the millennium. They believe that the Final Judgment will occur only after the millennium is over (which many interpret to be an exactly one thousand year period). “

    I wonder why people think the millennium is happening after the second coming of Jesus.

    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Oh right. We’re supposed to be on earth as priests of God and of Christ and reigning for 1,000 years with him, and that happens after he comes back to the earth with the new Jerusalem.

    If Jesus on earth right now? No, all eyes will see him when he comes back to reign on earth. So this has not happened yet.

    And of course people think the final judgment is after Jesus has reigned for 1,000 years. The bible is not confusing.

    Revelation 20 says the dead are resurrected after the 1,000 years, so they can be judged. It has not happened yet.

    So the Catholic Church believes in Amillennialism

    Quote

    The amillennial view interprets Revelation 20 symbolically and sees the millennium not as an earthly golden age in which the world will be totally Christianized, but as the present period of Christ’s rule in heaven and on the earth through his Church. This was the view of the Protestant Reformers and is still the most common view among traditional Protestants, though not among most of the newer Evangelical and Fundamentalist groups.

    Amillennialists also believe in the coexistence of good and evil on earth until the end. The tension that exists on earth between the righteous and the wicked will be resolved only by Christ’s return at the end of time. The golden age of the millennium is instead the heavenly reign of Christ with the saints, in which the Church on earth participates to some degree, though not in the glorious way it will at the Second Coming.

    Amillennialists point out that the thrones of the saints who reign with Christ during the millennium appear to be set in heaven (Rev. 20:4; cf. 4:4, 11:16) and that the text nowhere states that Christ is on earth during this reign with the saints.

    They explain that, although the world will never be fully Christianized until the Second Coming, the millennium does have effects on earth in that Satan is bound in such a way that he cannot deceive the nations by hindering the preaching of the gospel (Rev. 20:3).

    end quote.

    This is where my video “Christians” Pushing the AntiChrist Kingdom Coming comes in.

    The Catholic Church teaches that the reigning is done in heaven, not on earth. The the millennium kingdom is on earth without Jesus.

    This is why I believe the so called Christians are trying to rally everyone up, because they will get signs and lying wonders, and get everyone to worship the beast. Their so called peace on earth they say will be because the pope brought in the millennium kingdom without Jesus being there. This page even states there won’t be complete peace during the reign.

    From US Catholic

    “Do Catholics believe in the Rapture?

    When most Christians think of the Rapture today, they imagine the redeemed being snatched up to heaven by Christ as if they have a one-way ticket. But when Paul spoke of being carried off to meet Christ in the clouds, it was not for the purpose of flying away to heaven but to welcome the Lord and return with him in glory. This moment represents the culmination of God’s plan, the great Eschaton, for which all Christians pray when they cry out, “Thy kingdom come.” Our very baptism reminded us of this day: “When the Lord comes, may you go out to meet him with all the saints of the heavenly kingdom.””

    See, they’re focused on the kingdom coming to earth without Jesus and then Jesus returning at the end of it in his glory.

    From Catholic Culture Five Myths About the Rapture

    “ MYTH 3 — “The Rapture is a biblical and orthodox belief.”

    LaHaye declares, in Rapture Under Attack, that “virtually all Christians who take the Bible literally expect to be raptured before the Lord comes in power to this earth.” This would have been news to Christians — both Catholic and Protestant — living prior to the 18th century, since the concept of a pretribulation Rapture was unheard of prior to that time. Vague notions had been considered by the Puritan preachers Increase (1639-1723) and Cotton Mather (1663-1728), and the late 18th-century Baptist minister Morgan Edwards, but it was John Nelson Darby who solidified the belief in the 1830s and placed it into a larger theological framework. “

    Which of course I’ve already debunked.

    Here is one more Catholic site Catholic Bridge.com Are Catholics into the Rapture?

    “Catholics certainly believe that “we will be caught up in the air” (1 Thess 4:17) when the trumpet sounds. So Catholics do believe in the “rapture” if one is talking about the third option, the post-tribulation rapture (although they understand the 1000 years to mean “a long time”, and not literally 1000 years Rev. 20:2-3; 7). The term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Catholic Latin Vulgate that was written in 390 A.D. It comes from 1 Thess. 4:17-“we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).

    Catholics find no solid scriptural evidence that Jesus will come two or three more times. We think Scripture is clear that He will only come one more time. Catholics do not see any Biblical evidence as to why Christians should be “spared” the tribulation of the evil one. The Catholic Church feels that all Biblical evidence points to the contrary - that Christians will undergo great persecutions and tribulation. Catholics believe that history bears witness that the Church thrives under persecution.

    Perhaps we will win many converts to Christianity during the tribulation. Most humans (including me) are more disposed to a conversion of heart when things are bad. Nothing creates an open mind and opens someone to a personal relationship with Christ more than suffering. During the tribulation people will be looking for answers. They will be “ripe” for conversion.”

    I just want to point out the tribulation is set into motion by Jesus opening the seals, so the Catholics saying no Christians should be spared the tribulation of the evil one, is painting Jesus as evil.

    Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

    So Jesus sends the antichrist to the world.

    But this shows the Catholic stance is that Jesus will not be back for the millennium reign until the end. This is why I say the pope is trying to fake a millennium reign and a church revival without denominations. Especially with that line about the world being ripe for conversion in the time of tribulation.

  • Theories of Rapture

    I’ve touched on this a little bit but I want to define it out.

    We have Pre-trib, which is the belief that the rapture will occur before the tribulation period starts.

    We have mid-trib, which is the belief that the rapture will occur in the middle of the tribulation

    We have pre-wrath, which is the belief that the rapture will occur right before the trumpet and bowl judgements, because they consider that God’s wrath. They say there’s no mention of God’s wrath until after the 6th seal is broken.

    And we have post trib, which is the belief that the rapture will occur after the whole tribulation has occurred. As I’ve stated this is the belief of the Catholic Church.

    Post Trib Debunk

    I’ve already discussed a few reasons why post trib does not make sense from the Catholic version. But it also just does not make sense from the bible. Why would people go up to meet Jesus in the air when he’s on his way down to earth. This is when he stand on the earth again and sets up the new Jerusalem on earth. Why did people go up in the air at all?

    Jesus told us to not not look back like Lot’s wife, what kind of warning is that to not look back at the earth, when the judgements have come and people have longed to die but could not, and there’s famine, and death. Who would want to stay on earth in that situation? No one would longingly look back at the earth and think, I should stay here for this, instead of meeting Jesus in the air?

    Does that make any sense?

    Jesus told us he’s coming back when people are eating and drinking and giving in marriage. In the time of the wrath of God people are starving, and devsted at the loss of loved one, and longing to die, why would anyone be giving someone away in marriage at a wedding with a feast? How is that possible in the famine?

    Also 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

    The post tribbers believe you have to go through the wrath to get pure, it’s a Catholic belief like purgatory as I said.

    I still don’t get why people would be going up to meet Jesus if he’s way down to the earth, that’s a U turn, you go up and go back down immediately.

    Pre-Wrath Debunk

    I got led to the pre-wrath last year, before God led me out of it. This is based on the line that we’re not appointed to wrath, it’s as far into the tribulation period as you can get before the bible says the word wrath.

    Revelation 6 discusses the lamb, who I hope we can all agree is Jesus, opening up the seals. He opens the first one and the white horse is released and the antichrist is going out to conquer the land with a bow and a crown that was given to him.

    So is this conquering power from the antichrist riding the white horse? No. Because he had to be given a crown and had to be given a bow, and had to be released, by whom? Jesus.

    This book makes it clear that all of this is happening because God said so. If you believe Jesus is God, then you believe God just gave the antichrist power, if you believe Jesus is not God, then Jesus did what God told him to do, and God allowed the antichrist to be given power.

    The ultimate authority was given by God.

    The Old Testament confirms

    Zephaniah 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith YHWH, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

    Sounds like the antichrist going around conquering the nations and gathering them together for the new world order is doing so because Yahweh wants him to, because he is using the antichrist to gather them up so Yahweh can pour upon them His indignation and fierce anger. Sounds like Yahweh was the one in charge. And if this is the case you agree, and were pre-wrath you are not pre-trib because the whole tribulation is His wrath. Welcome to the club.

    Mid-trib

    Once again, in the middle of the tribulation you have the antichrist spirit conquering the whole world, and bringing all nations together for God to pour out His indignation on, there’s a horse of war. Now some people like to say there’s always wars. That is the case, then what do you think the horse of war is bringing? World wide war, like war inside the country, civil wars, and wars against countries, and nation against nation I believe is actually ethnicity against ethnicity, it’s not just about a third world war, but war everywhere, all over, everywhere you look. It has to be bigger than any other war ever was before to be a horse that is released, right?

    Then we have famine, same thing, people say people are starving right now, that’s right. But a famine that is a horse released is going to be a world wide famine, and inflation where you can’t even barely buy bread.

    And death, a horse of death. Death everywhere.

    Do you think you’re going to look longingly on this world at this point like Lot’s wife, and want to stay, rather than go up in the air with Jesus?

    Do you think people are going to be giving away in marriage in the middle of wars and famines like we’ve never seen before, they can’t even pay for bread, and they’re going to pay for a wedding to give away in marriage?

    Jesus’s words concerning his coming back to those who are saved, were to watch for his return, to have on the helmet of the hope of salvation. We have faith and hope. We walk by faith, not by signs. We are saved through faith. The tribulation period is a time when God will show His word is true, and start to show signs, like the two witnesses having control over the weather.

    The bible tells us the Christians are saved by faith, and walk by faith. The Jews require a sign. 1 Corinthians 1:22

  • The timeline

    In this section of the video I’m going to discuss who is going through the time of Jacob’s tribulation. It should be obvious by the name that was given to this time period, that Jacob also known as Israel is who is going to go through this time period because they have rejected Jesus their Messiah.

    I’m also going to put up a timetable here. Now I know those who have been following my videos for a while, know I have some theories about time loops for the Jews but for the sake of simplicity, keeping this video easy to understand, I’m not going to get into that with this video.

    So we see the arrows on the timeline, represent the different rapture theories.

    Number 1 is the pretrib theory, number 2 is the mid trib, which is 3 and half years into the tribulation, and number 3 is the pre-wrath theory which is after the 6th seal is opened, and number 4 is the post tribulation which is immediately before Jesus comes down to the earth, which is why it doesn’t make sense to go up and come back down right away, since we’re supposed to always be with the lord Jesus at that point. So I’m just going to take the post trib arrow off for the sake of having a clearer view. Just think of the last arrow as number 4 since it happens at the same time.

    As I discussed previously there were members of the church that thought there was a pre-tribulation rapture. And I don’t want to get into this too much here in this video. But I don’t believe Jesus is God, as such I would be called a heretic by the Catholic Church. You can see the video “When Jesus Became God” for more on that. It’s about the First Council of Nicaea from the Catholic Church in 325 AD. They came up with the Nicene Creed that says you need to believe Jesus is God in order to be called a Christian versus a heretic. The reason this happened, was because people did not believe Jesus was God beforehand. The Catholic Church has been attempting to force their beliefs on people through these councils for a long time.

    The reason I bring this up is because there was another council mentioned by Doc Marquis, that people debate that it had anything to do with pre trib rapture being called a heresy.

    But what they did do in a council that is absolute fact is add to the Nicene Creed. In 381 the Constantinopolitan Creed added the words “whose kingdom shall have no end.” This is saying that Jesus’s kingdom shall have no end, which is interesting because I was studying this recently. The bible tells us Jesus gives up the reign and gives it back to God in 1 Corinthians 15:28, so it’s no wonder they wanted to keep that hidden. They need people to think Jesus is God.

    Concerning the coucil of Nicaea, they wrote

    “When these things had been read, the holy Synod decreed that it is unlawful for any man to bring forward, or to write, or to compose a different (ἑτέραν) Faith as a rival to that established by the holy Fathers assembled with the Holy Ghost in Nicæa.

    But those who shall dare to compose a different faith, or to introduce or offer it to persons desiring to turn to the acknowledgment of the truth, whether from Heathenism or from Judaism, or from any heresy whatsoever, shall be deposed, if they be bishops or clergymen; bishops from the episcopate and clergymen from the clergy; and if they be laymen, they shall be anathematized. “

    To suggest that Jesus give up the reign of the kingdom to his Father, God would make you a heretic, and anathematized means cursed.

    Because the Catholic Church says Jesus is God, they cannot say that Jesus’s kingdom will end because the bible says God’s kingdom will last forever. In this way they can’t believe in a millennium kingdom by definition, because it’s supposed to last forever. This is how they twist the scripture to say that the millennium kingdom reign of Jesus is not 1,000 years but forever.

    To suggest the bible says Jesus gives the reigns over to his Father would probably have gotten you killed, but at the very least you were stripped of your office, and cursed according to their own words.

    1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    (Jesus delivers the kingdom to God, if Jesus is God that line would be delivered up the kingdom to the Father)

    25 For he (Christ) must reign, till he (Christ) hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For He (God) hath put all things under his feet. But when He saith, all things are put under him (Christ), it is manifest that He (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Christ). 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the son also himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

    The last line tells us it is speaking of God, and verse 24 also lets us know it’s speaking of God. If Christ were God, it would say Father in those 2 locations.

    So 300 years after Christ died, the Catholic Church decided to make people believe Jesus was God, and called it a heresy to believe anything else. In one of the councils they held they made sure to make Mary the mother of God, furthering their blasphemy. You can see the video playlist on the Catholic Church worshiping the pagan trinity for more information.

    As I said, this is related to the millennium kingdom, because the Catholic Church cannot say that Jesus will reign for 1,000 years, because they believe Jesus is God and does not have to give the kingdom back to God after 1,000 years are over. This has been the point of these Catholic Councils from the beginning.

    Sadly most Christians today will not even take the time to research where their beliefs come from.

    So, when did the pre-wrath rapture come into use, where did it originate?

    From wikipedia,

    “This view like pretribulationism, midtribulationism, and posttribulationism falls under the larger umbrella of premillennialism was formally named and publicized by Marvin Rosenthal in his book The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church, published by Thomas Nelson in 1990, at the prompting of his friend Robert Van Kampen, who went on to write The Sign and The Rapture Question Answered: Plain & Simple.”

    1990… hmm. So the apostasy is the falling away from scripture at the end, before the man of sin can be revealed. 1990 sounds pretty recent to me. I’d never even heard of it until this past year. There were a few big Christian channels that were promoting it last year, and I am not blaming them, because I got dragged into it myself, but it sounds to me like it was probably from the Catholic Church in origin, as it states that the Christians have to go through the tribulation to test their faiths, sounds like purgatory.

    From a Catholic perspective, the best way to get someone to accept the Millennium kingdom without a rapture is to do this….

    Get people to believe that the rapture will be at the last minute, like pre-wrath, then fake everything. We have people who don’t know if they’re coming or going, we have people right now who think the seals have already been opened, they think Obama is the antichrist, they’re primed to accept the real antichrist if they miss the rapture.

    I’m not saying that the pope will be the leader of the millennium kingdom, actually as far as I can tell, there isn’t even a leader in his mind, because Jesus doesn’t come back until the end and the Catholics don’t think there has to be complete peace on earth during the millennium reign.

    They can fake an antichrist, I think Obama was set up to be one by Nathan, the Jewish boy’s NDEs testimony, as I’ve mentioned before I believe it was a false vision from the enemy. But they’re laying it out to say Obama is the antichrist, and then they have the fake gog/magog war, and then perhaps, everyone leans into Christianity, you know the false one, the pagan trinity one where Mary is the mother of God? The children all start to have healing powers from demons and lying signs and wonders, and everyone starts thinking…man we’re getting peace on earth through Jesus… I guess they were right about this amillenialism theory that we would have the kingdom on earth through Jesus working through us.

    They don’t even have to know it was the Catholic Church behind this amillenialism doctrine from the beginning. The Catholics who thought they had to go through purgatory to have the kingdom on earth will agree that tribulation was like purgatory, but we did it, we got the kingdom now, we helped to bring it in.

    That’s the antichrist spirit, the one saying people can bring in the kingdom of God without Jesus.

    The people who think we have to go through the tribulation like to say to those who believe in the pre-trib rapture, what’s going to happen when it doesn’t happen? You’ll lose faith in God? You’ll take the mark?

    You need to start worrying about yourselves. What’s going to happen if you think we’re already in tribulation? Are you going to be deceived? Do you think the antichrist is already on the stage? What if they fake an antichrist? You think he came, and you see Christians saving people’s lives, and see people healed by the power of Christ supposedly, and the world starts to come together in Jesus’s name? Are you going to be fooled into believing the millennium kingdom can happen without Jesus stepping foot on the ground?

    Also what if a person thinks they’re saved, from something they’re doing, but they’re really not, and they believe in the mid tribulation rapture. Now what is there’s a rapture, and they’re left behind, now they think, well I guess that was the middle of the tribulation, so I have 3 and half years more left, I guess I”ll just endure to the end. But the rapture took place at the beginning, so three and a half years go by and they’re looking for Christ to come, and then the antichrist comes on the scene, they’re primed to receive the antichrist as their savior.

    You can also see my video on what is the mark, people are so focused on the mark being some sort of chip, they don’t know that they may already be primed to worship the beast. What if the beast is the pagan trinity with Jesus as his name? Will you worship him? What if some man like Nick Hall gets the world to come together for Christ and there’s a revival of Christians? Are you going to stand firm that Jesus is not God and Jesus is coming back while the others call you a heretic? Because to me, that’s the more likely scenario at this junction.

    That’s where God is leading me. And why are you so concerned with those of us who love Jesus’s coming? If we are doing God’s will everyday He will take care of us, if we pray to not be deceived we will not be, because God told us to ask Him and we will receive.

    I’m more concerned about the people out there who call me a heretic and don’t ask God to show them if they are wrong. Because that’s what it took for me to find out I was wrong. We’re called to humble ourselves to find out if we have any flaws, any false doctrines tripping us up.

    When we humble ourselves and lean on God, that’s when He lifts us up and guides us to the truth.

    And those who think they know that the rapture is not happening at the beginning, are primed to accept the antichrist kingdom especially if he comes in the name of Jesus Christ.

  • Timeline

    So back to the timeline.

    In my opinion, the pre-wrath rapture doctrine is part of the apostasy, of course there’s more. As I’ve stated the Satanic creed if “do what thou wilt” and many Christians don’t ask God what they should be doing each day, and instead focus on what they think they should be doing. They don’t judge themselves, this all goes back to believing that Jesus is God and not thinking they can follow in his footsteps. Jesus had the same living God living inside of him, as we do. We’re all brothers and sisters in Christ, and Christ means anointed, and Jesus was anointed with God’s Holy Spirit.

    Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

    God with Jesus, which means they didn’t believe Jesus was God, because no one who thought Jesus was God would say God was with Jesus. God was with God does not make sense.

    It should have said The Father was with Jesus, otherwise. But people who think Jesus is God have spiritual blinders on.

    Anyway we’re anointed with God’s Holy Spirit too when we’re born again, that’s why we’re brothers and sisters in Christ.

    So there’s an apostasy going on. People are waking up to it though.

    2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    Is the man of sin being revealed to us? If the temple of God is our body, which it is, and the pope is calling himself father, like our Father in heaven, and he came to the United Nations last year, called himself the pope which means father, and said he came in his own name. He came in the name of father, but it wasn’t our Father in heaven’s name he was using. He’s opposed the true Father, he’s called Jesus dying at the cross a failure, he rejected the son, which means he rejects the Father too. Is that not the definition of the man of sin seen here?

    This was written from Paul to the church. But I’m ahead of myself.

  • Time Line

    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    While Jesus was alive he had come only to Israel

    Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

    Jesus’s ministry was to Jews. John the baptist came to Jews. Before Jesus died, the gospel was to the Jews. Some time after Jesus died and God raised him up again, then the gospel changed from going to Jews to going to Gentiles.

    Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office

    So he’s saying the Jews stumbled, not that they should fall, they will be saved, but because they stumbled, salvation came to the Gentiles also, in order for the Jews to be provoked to jealousy.

    What’s going to make the Jews jealous in the time of Jacob’s tribulation? Seeing a bunch of Christians having family members getting their heads chopped off, starving, and on the run to avoid getting the mark of the beast? Um, no. That wouldn’t make me jealous.

    What would make them jealous? A bunch of Christians with Christ, escaping this whole time period already in the new Jerusalem that they were promised by their forefathers.

    7 mysteries were revealed to Paul, one of which is the rapture, this means that the rapture was not know to the Jews. I’ve discussed this before, but when the Jews asked Jesus when the kingdom would come, Jesus tells them an answer. Then a lot of people use it to say that’s when the rapture happens, which makes no sense, since the Jews did not know what a rapture was or expect one. We have to rightly divide the truth and realize that Jesus was speaking to Jews who were not expecting a rapture. It does not mean Jesus never mentioned the rapture in his parables, because I believe he did, but the apostles didn’t know what everything meant before Jesus died. That’s why he has to explain things to them on the road to Emmaus.

    Luke 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

    He had to explain scriptures concerning himself to them after he died, as they still did not understand things. This clearly shows that what Jesus was telling them before his death was not always being understood but they wrote it down, so we could with the help of the Holy Spirit guiding us to the truth.

    Most of the people who try to say we have to go through the time of Jacob’s tribulation are getting their doctrine from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They wrote about Jesus before he died for the most part, and that was when he had come for the Jews, and was speaking to the Jews for the Jews.

    The New testament really occurs when Jesus died, so in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, they are Old Testament until Jesus dies, and then they are new testament.

    Hebrews 9:15 “And for this cause he is the mediator of the New Testament that BY MEANS OF DEATH, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also OF NECESSITY BE THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR. For A TESTAMENT IS OF FORCE AFTER MEN ARE DEAD: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”

    Hebrews 9:15-17 explains that it was after Jesus’ death that the New Testament took force.

    Acts chapter 7 is about the preaching to the Jews, and Stephen telling them that they crucified Jesus who God sent to them, and they stone him.

    Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

    54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

    They could have accepted Jesus, and he could have come down, but they didn’t, so the next chapter talks about the gospel going to the gentiles.

    In Matthew 24, it starts out with Jesus and a bunch of Jews, and they ask him what’s going to happen at the end of the world, of course they know nothing about a rapture. So they ask him some questions and he answers them. Then, when Jesus is done answering them, he starts to say something else, he starts with the word “now” in order to separate what he was answering to them, and what he wants to talk about.

    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    Of course people like to say that is referring to the tribulation as I’ve discussed somewhat recently, it’s talking about the day heaven and earth will pass away. Then he starts a new thought.

    verse 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the son of man cometh.

    He’s telling us to watch in the times when everyone is eating and drinking. That won’t be happening in the time of Jacob’s tribulation.

    Also, there’s another verse that lets us know we’re to watch so we know what hour he is coming.

    Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

    Which implies if you do watch he will not come upon you as a thief.

    In Matthew 24 The Jews ask him some questions, when Jesus speaks clearly, he is answering their questions, when Jesus switches to parables he’s dealing with us because they’re mysteries that the Jews were not going to understand. Only those who got the anointed with the Holy Spirit after his death would be able to understand if God wanted them to know.

    This is probably why we see so many so called Christians pointing to things the Jews said and things written to Jews, because they don’t love the truth and have not been able to understand the parables yet.

    I have another parable they don’t understand that I will explain. As I said Matthew 24 is about Jesus speaking to the Jews plainly, answering their questions, then he switches to parables on them, and I’ll start at verse 42 which I just read but for context

    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to beat his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    So this is a parable to us. Jesus is our Lord and he gave us talents to use to help and do God’s will with. How much we do God’s will changes how many talents we have gained since he’s been away. That’s another parable, but we are supposed to be working for our Lord Jesus while we’re here. He left and we’re ruling over these talents, blessed is the one who is found using those talents, when Jesus comes back. Jesus will then make you ruler over all his goods. But if there is another servant, a brother or sister in Christ, who says in their heart, their lord Jesus delays his coming, he shall beat his brothers and sisters, fellow servants, and start to eat and drink with the drunken.

    So this is our brothers and sisters who say Jesus is not coming before the time of Jacob’s tribulation, they say is going to delay his coming, then they focus on stockpiling food in case of martial law, and start exercising getting ready to have to run for their lives, and focus on the government’s crack down on people, perhaps hoping that Trump will save America. They start to think like those who are drunken on the things of this world. There are many people who think they are awake, they think they know important truths, like the earth is flat, 9/11 was an inside job, martial law is coming, but they do not know Jesus, they are not saved, and they do not think Jesus is coming to get them, they are the drunken, and there are Christians right now, who are drinking with the drunken. They are so focused on the problems in the world, and trying to fix it like voting for Trump, or planning a revolution against the government, they are not focusing on what matters, that people cannot save themselves from what is coming. Only faith in Jesus is going to save people.

    Now these supposed Christians, fellow servants are beating on us, those who say Jesus is coming back soon.

    Why is it that those who believe in the pretrib rapture are calm, cool, and collected talking to those who believe in the mid-post trib rapture, but those who believe in a mid to post trib rapture call those who believe in the pretrib rapture heretics for believing the bible?

    It’s what the parable is talking about.

    50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Those people will be appointed their portion with the hypocrites. Because they did not have the helmet of the hope of salvation on, they did not have faith that Jesus was coming to get them.

    Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

    Jesus is looking for faith. In the time of Jacob’s trouble, you will either know because of the signs and wonders like the 2 witnesses or you will be deceived by the beast. There’s no wondering about faith.

    And about those 2 witnesses and the verses about the time of Jacob’s tribulation, have you ever noticed how they all have to do with the same location. Judea, Israel. Those in Judea flee into the mountains, the 2 witnesses die around where Jesus was killed. Location, location, location. It is about the Jews who have been gathered up by God. The Jews require a sign. We don’t.

    I’ll leave some links below also to pre-tribulation rapture study videos. There’s a lot more to say.

    I think I’m going to wrap this up. Feel free to ask questions below, and The people who are the tribulation saints are obviously the hypocrite Christians who got left behind. They have to start keeping the commandments of God and having the faith in Jesus that they didn’t have before the rapture happened. So that’s why they have to wash their robes in Revelation.

    We’re supposed to have white robes currently. Remember the letters to the 7 churches. The luke warm Christians are naked, and need to be given robes.

    The reason there is a multitude of them in Revelation is because not many people are honestly looking forward to Jesus’s return any day and keeping His commandments right now, and doing God’s will everyday.

    We’re barely. The wheat has to have the tribulum roll over it to get the sin off. That’s why it’s called the tribulation. If you were already clean had the Holy Spirit blow away your sin like the barley being winnowed, you would not have to have a tribulum run over your back. Thanks for listening and have a blessed day.

{"cards":[{"_id":"6bdcf81ac8f9f4723c000019","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7985449,"position":1,"parentId":null,"content":"When is the Rapture?"},{"_id":"6bdcf97ac8f9f4723c00001a","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7985117,"position":1,"parentId":"6bdcf81ac8f9f4723c000019","content":"# Introduction"},{"_id":"6bdcf9e4c8f9f4723c00001b","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7985159,"position":1,"parentId":"6bdcf97ac8f9f4723c00001a","content":"# Beginning Remarks\n\nI know this is a touchy subject and i could be wrong on things, so I want to start out with a prayer. \"Father in heaven, guide us all as we study your word and attempt to rightly divide the word of truth. Please break any deceptions out of our minds, and lead us into all truth. I pray this for everyone listening, that they will find the truth. You told us in John 16:13 that Your Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth, I pray any false preconceived notions be broken for everyone listening, and that Your Holy Spirit will declare the things to come to each of us and you told us it would. Amen.\"\n\nThese are going to be my thoughts on this subject from the studying I've done all year. I want to quickly explain my positions over the years. \n\nFirst I grew up hearing that the rapture would happen pre-tribulation because that is what is shown in movies. As some point out, this could be because they want to fake a rapture at some point. But none of the churches I went to have ever taught on the rapture in church. I'm actually surprised to hear that people will say your preacher must have filled your head with lies. Most preachers will not get into the controversial subjects in church buildings it would hurt their bottom line. Then God woke me up last year with a dream and led me here. But on the way I got sidetracked, I started listening to truther channels, because most of what I had learned my whole life was propaganda and mind control brainwashing from school, tvs, movies, NASA, etc. \n\nSo these truther channels started saying that the pre-tribulation rapture was not biblical, and it was more biblical to say that we will leave in the middle or at the very end. I listened to some videos on it, and they had compelling scriptures that said people were going to leave at those times, and be in some of the tribulation. \n\nSo I got prepared mentally and spiritually and believed God would protect me through everything and there was nothing to worry about, so I stopped worrying about it, and continued doing what I was led to do. I got led to Informed Christians channel, and I actually suggested people check it out, but I would say to them, but I don't agree with the pretrib stance he has. \n\nBut over months, he kept bringing up scriptures that didn't make sense if we would be leaving at the middle or the end of tribulation. I finally got to the point, where I just could not hold on to that belief anymore and switched back to pre-trib. Scripture cannot contradict itself. God is not the author of confusion. So, I know people are probably listening, thinking of all the scriptures that state people are going to be here during tribulation, which is absolutely true. But there are scriptures that those who believe we're going to go through the tribulation time period cannot explain away. It's the only reason I switched over time. The bible was Holy Spirit inspired and we have to study to show ourselves approved. So that's what this video is going to be about. "},{"_id":"6bdd26f9c8f9f4723c00001c","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7985443,"position":2,"parentId":"6bdcf97ac8f9f4723c00001a","content":"# Definition of the time period\n\nThough I called it the tribulation, this is not the title of the time period. It is never called tribulation or great tribulation as a title. Tribulation means persecution, affliction, distress. \n\nhttp://biblehub.com/greek/2347.htm\n\nIt is something we as believers are currently going through. If you are not going through tribulations currently, then something is wrong with your walk. We are called to walk as Jesus did, and die to our fleshy wills and do God's will instead each day. We are to be offering ourselves and our lives as a sacrifice to God just like Jesus did. When you are doing this, you will be hated even by your own brethren. \n\nMatthew 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again.\n\nThe word for tribulation there is Strongs Greek number 2347 thlipsis\n\nRevelation 7:14 I said to him, \"Sir, you know.\" Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.\n\nThe word for tribulation there is Strongs Greek number 2347 thlipsis\n\nThis is not a title, it is a description of what the people went through. \n\nBoth verses imply those aren't Christians, but I'll get into that later. \n\nSo what is the time period really called in the bible? Is there a title? Yes, there is. \n\nJeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.\n\nThe word for trouble here is Strongs Hebrew number 6869 tsarah which means \"adversary, adversity, affliction, anguish, distress, tribulation, trouble\"\n\nSo this is actually the time of Jacob's tribulation. The reason the post trib/mid trib or pre-wrath people will not talk about this is because the bible literally spells it out for us. \n\nThe great tribulation in Revelation is the same thing as the day that is so great, the time of Jacob's tribulation in Jeremiah 30:7. If you do not believe me, please study it yourself. \n\nJacob is another name for Israel. This is the time of Israel's tribulation, great tribulation at that.\n\nI also did a study on the book of Esther using the Greek version and I'll leave the link below to that video and pdf. The whole story seems to me to be an allegory for the time of Jacob's trouble. In it, one of the versions reads \"So he made known to her the tribulation of Israel.\"\n\nThe bible is clear that the great tribulation has been planned for Israel as it was shown in the Old Testament that this time period would come. \n\nThe reason this matters, is because the time period is supposed to having absolutely nothing to do with Christians, which I will get into here. \n"},{"_id":"6bdda44ac8f9f4723c00001d","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7985452,"position":2,"parentId":"6bdcf81ac8f9f4723c000019","content":"# How old is this theory?"},{"_id":"6bdda50bc8f9f4723c00001e","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7985677,"position":1,"parentId":"6bdda44ac8f9f4723c00001d","content":"# How old is this theory?\n\nOne thing people like to say is that the idea of a rapture is a new concept, that it was created in the 1800's. I'm going to read a little bit from an article by Doc Marquis, the ex-Satanic witch who exposes the pagan ideas of Roman Catholicism. \n\nI'll leave the link below if you want to read more. \n\nQuote\n\n\" The reason so many people are saying that the word Rapture is only a recent term for certain Biblical events, is mainly due to an event that happened back in 1830.\nBack in 1830 a 15 year old girl of Irish/Scottish decent named Margaret McDonald, had a vision of a “Post-Tribulation” Rapture. Notice carefully, her vision was a “Post-Tribulation” vision and not a “Pre-Tribulation” Rapture. She said:\n1) “This is the fiery trial which is to try us – It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus.”\n2) “The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept.”\nNotice carefully how Margaret stated that this fiery trial (the Tribulation Period) is meant to try the real members of the body of Jesus. And, note especially, Margaret tells us this trying comes from the Antichrist. Well, no matter which perspective you come from, this so-called trying of the members of the body of Jesus, could only happen during, or shortly after the Tribulation Period and “not” before it. In other words, Margaret McDonald’s so-called vision was “not” a “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” vision. Yet, so many people, False Apostles and False Teachers don’t tell you that. All they’ll usually tell you is that the Rapture of the Church teachings began with Margaret McDonald. They purposely leave out the part that hers’ was a Post-Tribulation perspective as she claims it to have been and “not” a Pre-Tribulation Rapture perspective.\nIt is from the vision of Margaret McDonald, that John Nelson Darby, in 1861, supposedly used the word “Rapture” to describe what Margaret had seen once he had heard of her so-called vision. This would mean that the word Rapture (as a Biblical application) originated back in 1861 and no sooner. That is utter and complete nonsense, and I am going to prove it! I am going to start in the 20th century and work myself all the way back to the 4th century and show all of you good folks, who are reading this article, that the Biblical applications for the wordRapture is much older than 1861.\n\nHistorical usages of the word “Rapture”\nThe following is only a partial list of literary works that contain a Biblical application of the word Rapture. I used some examples after 1861 to show that the true understanding and application of the word Rapture was not changed, but still cherished and being held onto despite how desperately hard Satan has tried to destroy it.\n1) 1909 – Scofield Reference Bible\n2) 1878 – “Jesus is Coming” – William Eugene Blackstone\n3) 1866 – “Hereward the Wake” – Charles Kinglsey (He was “rapt” up on high and saw Saint Peter).\n4) 1748 – “New Testament Commentary” – John Gill\n5) 1738 – “New Testament Commentary” – Philip Doddridge\n6) 1667 – “Paradise Lost” – John Milton (“Rapt” in a Chariot drawn by fiery Steeds).\n7) 1610 – “Display of Heraldry” – John Guillim (To this place…were Enoch, Elias and Paul “rapt” up fore their deaths).\n8) 1526 – “Pilgrim of Perfection” – William Bond (When he was “rapt” & taken up in to the thryde heuen) Note* - from the Middle English, thryde heuen is rendered to be…”third heaven”\n9) 1432 – 1450 – “Polychronicon” – Ranulf Higden (Helyas was “rapte” in this tyme).\n10) 1412 – 1420 – “Chronicle of Troy” – John Lydgate (in this wyse were the brethren twayne To heauen “rapt”, as these poetes fayne). Note* - from the Middle English this sentence would read as: “in this wise were the two brothers to Heaven raptured,” into our Modern Day English.\n11) 1400 – “Vernon Manuscript” – “By visions of seynt poul when he was “rapt” into paradys) Note * - from the Middle English it would read into our Modern Day American English as: “By visions of Saint Paul when he was ‘rapt’ (raptured) into Paradise.”\n12) 325 – Latin Vulgate – “rapio” (I Thes. 4:17)\nThe reason there are a number of various ways to spell “rapture” over the centuries of English speaking nations is based on linguistic evolution. In other words, as languages change, so do the spelling of certain words. In the case of the word “rapture”:\n1) The Ancient Latin is “rapio/rapere” and other such usages\n2) In the Early English Period (1066 – 1154) “rapture” was spelled “rapt”\n3) In the Middle English Period (1154 – 1485) “rapt” would be spelled as “rapte”\n4) And, nowadays, we would spell the word as “rapture”\nThere is nothing more to it than that! It is simply a matter of linguistic evolution or change.\n\n\n\n\nThe Historical Concept of “Pre-Tribulation Rapture”\nThe blatant lie (knowingly or unknowingly) that the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church is a new concept that can only be traced back to 1830 is simply that…a lie! I shall now present to you good people another literary list and, this one will prove, once and for all, that the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church if “not” a new concept, but was a teaching that came directly from the Apostles themselves. This list will begin “before” 1830” and turn all the way back to the 1st Century A.D.\n1) 1792 – Thomas Scott – he taught that the righteous will be carried to Heaven where they will be secure until the time of the judgment is over.\n2) 1763 – James Macknight – he also taught that the righteous will be carried to heaven until the judgment is over with.\n3) 1748 – John Gill (Commentary on the New Testament) – teaches of the imminent return of Christ, firstly in Rapture, and then He will return again to judge the earth (Armageddon).\n4) 1744 – Morgan Edwards (founder of the Ivy League School, Brown University) wrote of his “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” beliefs.\n5) 1738 – Phillip Doddrige (Commentary on the New Testament) teaches along the same lines of John Gill; a “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” perspective.\n6) 1687 – Peter Jurieu – (“Approaching Deliverance of the Church”) Christ would return during the Rapture and take His saints to Heaven and later return at the Battle of Armageddon.\n7) 1674 – 1748 – Isaac Watts (known as the Father of the English Hymn) wrote of his “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” belief. (As a side note, Isaac Watts was solely responsible for writing over 1,000 Christian hymns if I recall the numbers correctly. Study his life because it was truly a miraculous one by all definitions of the word).\n8) 1674 – Thomas Collier – makes reference in the belief to the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture”.\n9) 1532 – 1591 – Francisco Rivera wrote of his “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church beliefs\n10) 431 – 1500 – Any mention of Pre-Tribulation (Millennial) Rapture of the Church perspectives are outlawed by the Catholic Church and deemed heretical and punishable by death!!!\n11) 431 – The Council of Ephesus; the Catholic Church decrees and condemns Pre-Millennial views as heresy. Books and such are destroyed or altered.\nThe following all wrote of the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church:\n12) 354 – 430 – Augustine, Bishop of North Africa\n13) 306 – 373 – Ephraem of Nisibus\n14) ? - 204 – Victorinus, Bishop of Petau\n15) 200 – 258 - Cyrian\n16) 170 – 236 – Hippolytus of Rome\n17) 150 – 272 – Apocalypse of Elijah (an Extra-Biblical book)\n18) 120 – 202 – Ireaneus (“Against Heresies”)\n19) 36 – 108 – Ignatius of Antioch, the Third Bishop and Patriarch of Antioch (who as a student of John the Apostle) – His “Letters of Extra-Biblical works are:\na. Letter to the Ephesians\nb. Letter to the Magnesians\nc. Letter to the Trallians\nd. Letter to the Romans\ne. Letter to the Philadelphians\nf. Letter to the Smyrnaeans\ng. Letter to Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna\n20. ? – 99 A.D. – Clement of Rome, “Letter to the Corinthians” also known as “I Clement” (an Extra-Biblical book).\nAnd let me say for the record: “I personally challenge those of the Mid-Tribulation perspective or Post-Tribulation perspective to come up with a literary list, such as I had just presented, that will demonstrate their belief.” This is my personal challenge!\nEven though the Catholic Church tried to destroy and suppress any writings or teachings on the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church, which is easily dated all the way back to the Apostles themselves, they had failed. The “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” of the Church, which is the “oldest”of all the Biblical perspectives, could not be stopped. It originates with the Apostles of Jesus Christ during the first century, taught to their students, and continues on to this very day. The Mid-Tribulation and Post-Tribulation teachings (which are grossly false ones) are the new teachings and not the original teaching of Jesus Christ, nor of His chosen Apostles or their students. Those are teachings and creations of man and not of God.\"\n\nEnd Quote.\n\nhttp://nunezreport.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-rapture-by-doc-marquis-part-1.html\n\nI also did a video on The Shepherd of Hermas which is a second century Christian work. I was not attempting to prove a rapture from this extra biblical work, but rather to see how someone in that time period thought of the rapture, or tribulation period. The vision he described pointed to a pre trib rapture to me. But the link will be below if you want to check it out. Obviously if people in that time period believed in a pretrib rapture, it wasn't a new idea or theory back then. \n\nAlso the pre-wrath rapture idea in particular was introduced to me last summer and I had never heard of it before. \n\nWe should be wary of \"new\" ideas about old doctrine. \n\n2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;\n\nThe word for falling away is Strongs Greek 646. apostasia, or where we get the word apostasy from, which is a departure from the principles of the religion, or faith. \n\nWe're seeing a clear falling away from the gospel that was preached. We're told to not let anyone deceive us. As I started this video out with a prayer to this effect. If you think you can tell truth from lies without praying for help from God, that's pride. We are to humble ourselves and realize we've all been fooled by something, and we need God's help to not be deceived. \n\nThat's what I did last year, and I have learned more truths this past year than my whole life combined beforehand. \n\nAsk and you shall receive. \n\nSo we're told people will fall away from the teachings of the gospel. \n\nTo me, and my studies, I have to say the idea of a pretribulation rapture is not new. People have believed in it for a long time, and I don't want you to take my word on it, go and study yourselves, praying for guidance. Because you will not believe what I say, but you will believe what God shows you. "},{"_id":"6bde07c5c8f9f4723c00001f","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7986026,"position":2,"parentId":"6bdda44ac8f9f4723c00001d","content":"# The Catholic Church wants to fake a Millennium Reign\n\nAnother thing some people like to say is that the Jesuits who work for the Catholic Church somehow created the pre-tribulation rapture idea. I'm going to read from a site, because he has a way with words concerning this and to prove I am not making this up. \n\n\"There are those who claim that the pretribulation rapture is an evil deception because it was invented by evil Jesuits (the evil henchmen of the Catholic Church) for the purpose of deceiving and countering the Protestant reformation, and to distract from the prophetic interpretation of the reformers that the Pope was the antichrist.\n\nFor a long time, I felt it unnecessary to investigate these claims, for several obvious reasons. Most importantly, the doctrine of the rapture does not stand or fall on who may have first noticed and taught certain elements of doctrine in scripture. The rapture doctrine is valid only if it is supported by scripture. The Protestant reformation was based on turning to scripture to resolve matters.\n\n 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:\n\nThat alone should be enough to put this entire matter to rest, and nothing more need be said. It is obvious that we must agree that something true, such as 2+2=4, remains true, even when such a truth is spoken by a liar, or the most evil man. Truth does not become untrue just because an evil or stupid man speaks it. Therefore, there is simply no basis for the claim that the rapture is an evil deception because futurism was once taught by an evil Jesuit. I could read 1000 pages on how the Jesuits are evil, and I can even agree on that. I could even read about, and agree that, an evil Jesuit expounded the doctrine of futurism for the evil purpose of trying to discredit the Protestant reformation. But neither of those facts has any bearing on the truthfulness of the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture.\n\nFurther, not only is the entire idea of the \"Jesuit rapture\" irrelevant (only scripture is relevant) but also, the idea is absurd. The doctrine of the pretribulation rapture is simply not taught by the Catholic Church! Therefore, the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture condemns the Catholic Church because it makes the Catholic Church into a \"false prophet\" since they do not teach it!\n\nYet, despite these self-evident truths which destroy the claims that \"the pretribulation rapture is an evil deception because it was invented by evil Jesuit Catholics\", there is no shortage of web sites that take this position. You can find many such web sites if you go to a search engine and search for \"rapture jesuit ribera\". \"\n\nend quote. The link is below if you want to read more. \n\nThe Catholic Church needs people to NOT believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. I will discuss their opinions here, but also leave another video below concerning why the Pre-trib rapture destroys Roman Catholic Doctrine. \n\nThe Catholic doctrine is that people need to go through purgatory to have sins burned out of them, they need to suffer to get rid of their sins to be clean for heaven, but they can't do that until they die and go to purgatory. This is obvious when they say you can't be completely free of sins on earth, it's why they need to continually come back to church to get forgiven by a priest. In their doctrine if you commit a sin after being forgiven and don't get to a priest for forgiveness, then die, you're not going to heaven. The next stop would have to be hell or purgatory before you enter heaven. \n\nThis cannot work with the rapture, because those who are saved go up, they don't have to go to purgatory first. The idea of suffering for your sins, such as purgatory, before getting to see the kingdom of God is also the idea of having to go through the great tribulation, which is why I say the post-trib doctrine is basically Catholic. \n\nPeople who believe in the post tribulation rapture believe that those who don't are somehow weak or scared to go through the tribulations that are coming. I see this comment a lot from them. Which is telling in and of itself, because if you are saying this line just like everybody else, it means you're brainwashed to believe something. If you honestly believe it because you've studied it you wouldn't be arguing the exact same points everyone else who has been brainwashed is arguing. But I digress. These post tribbers think that they have to go through a purifying time when their faith is going to be tested, so that they don't take the mark of the beast. \n\nWhy don't they realize we're going through tribulations right now? Why don't think they're being tested on their faith right now? We're supposed to be sacrificing our lives right now to do God's will and going through the tribulations right now. \n\nRomans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given unto us.\n\nWe're supposed to be glorying in tribulations right now. Why do think of it as a horrible thing that we're not yet going through?\n\nIt's because it's a Catholic teaching that keeps people focused on future problems and not focused on the fact that we are supposed to be going through the tribulations and being chastised by God currently. \n\n2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.\n\nThe Catholic doctrine keeps people from thinking we're supposed to be doing this right now. Those of us who are going through this right now, are getting purified, convicted, chastised by God so that we will grow stronger and stronger right now. \n\nJohn 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he prunes it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. \n\nIn verse 2 it says God is pruning us, which is to clean or purify. This is seen with the barley, you throw it up into the air, and the wind takes away the chaff. The wind is the Holy Spirit and the chaff is our sin. If we listen to the Holy Spirit convicting us, we are letting the wind take away our sin. Then when we are pruned, we will bear more fruit of the spirit. This is what we are to be doing right now. The branches that are not in Christ, are not bearing fruit currently and are thrown into the fire, which is symbolic of the time of Jacob's Tribulation. You can see my video The World is Condemned to Die Already for my interpretation of Lazarus and the Rich man being the time of Jacob's tribulation. \n\nBut back to the Catholic Church and what they believe. I checked out a few Catholic pages and will read some of it, and leave the links below. \n\nFrom Catholic.com\n\n\"What’s the Catholic Position?\n\nAs far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been \"amillennial\" (as has been the majority Christian position in general, including that of the Protestant Reformers), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called \"millenarianism\" (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism \"cannot safely be taught,\" though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue. \n\nWith respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word \"rapture\" to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term \"rapture\" is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—\"we will be caught up,\" \"\n\nSo the church has rejected the premillennial position. This is their description of that from a little earlier on the page\n\n\"Premillennialism\n\nThird on the list is premillennialism, currently the most popular among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals (though a century ago amillennialism was). Most of the books written about the End Times, such as Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth, are written from a premillennial perspective. \n\nLike postmillennialists, premillennialists believe that the thousand years is an earthly golden age during which the world will be thoroughly Christianized. Unlike postmillennialists, they believe that it will occur after the Second Coming rather than before, so that Christ reigns physically on earth during the millennium. They believe that the Final Judgment will occur only after the millennium is over (which many interpret to be an exactly one thousand year period). \"\n\nI wonder why people think the millennium is happening after the second coming of Jesus. \n\nRevelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.\n\nOh right. We're supposed to be on earth as priests of God and of Christ and reigning for 1,000 years with him, and that happens after he comes back to the earth with the new Jerusalem. \n\nIf Jesus on earth right now? No, all eyes will see him when he comes back to reign on earth. So this has not happened yet. \n\nAnd of course people think the final judgment is after Jesus has reigned for 1,000 years. The bible is not confusing.\n\nRevelation 20 says the dead are resurrected after the 1,000 years, so they can be judged. It has not happened yet. \n\nSo the Catholic Church believes in Amillennialism\n\nQuote \n\nThe amillennial view interprets Revelation 20 symbolically and sees the millennium not as an earthly golden age in which the world will be totally Christianized, but as the present period of Christ’s rule in heaven and on the earth through his Church. This was the view of the Protestant Reformers and is still the most common view among traditional Protestants, though not among most of the newer Evangelical and Fundamentalist groups. \n\nAmillennialists also believe in the coexistence of good and evil on earth until the end. The tension that exists on earth between the righteous and the wicked will be resolved only by Christ’s return at the end of time. The golden age of the millennium is instead the heavenly reign of Christ with the saints, in which the Church on earth participates to some degree, though not in the glorious way it will at the Second Coming. \n\nAmillennialists point out that the thrones of the saints who reign with Christ during the millennium appear to be set in heaven (Rev. 20:4; cf. 4:4, 11:16) and that the text nowhere states that Christ is on earth during this reign with the saints. \n\nThey explain that, although the world will never be fully Christianized until the Second Coming, the millennium does have effects on earth in that Satan is bound in such a way that he cannot deceive the nations by hindering the preaching of the gospel (Rev. 20:3).\n\nend quote.\n\nThis is where my video \"Christians\" Pushing the AntiChrist Kingdom Coming comes in.\n\nThe Catholic Church teaches that the reigning is done in heaven, not on earth. The the millennium kingdom is on earth without Jesus.\n\nThis is why I believe the so called Christians are trying to rally everyone up, because they will get signs and lying wonders, and get everyone to worship the beast. Their so called peace on earth they say will be because the pope brought in the millennium kingdom without Jesus being there. This page even states there won't be complete peace during the reign. \n\nFrom US Catholic \n\n\"Do Catholics believe in the Rapture? \n\nWhen most Christians think of the Rapture today, they imagine the redeemed being snatched up to heaven by Christ as if they have a one-way ticket. But when Paul spoke of being carried off to meet Christ in the clouds, it was not for the purpose of flying away to heaven but to welcome the Lord and return with him in glory. This moment represents the culmination of God’s plan, the great Eschaton, for which all Christians pray when they cry out, “Thy kingdom come.” Our very baptism reminded us of this day: “When the Lord comes, may you go out to meet him with all the saints of the heavenly kingdom.”\"\n\nSee, they're focused on the kingdom coming to earth without Jesus and then Jesus returning at the end of it in his glory. \n\nFrom Catholic Culture Five Myths About the Rapture\n\n\" MYTH 3 — \"The Rapture is a biblical and orthodox belief.\"\n\nLaHaye declares, in Rapture Under Attack, that “virtually all Christians who take the Bible literally expect to be raptured before the Lord comes in power to this earth.” This would have been news to Christians — both Catholic and Protestant — living prior to the 18th century, since the concept of a pretribulation Rapture was unheard of prior to that time. Vague notions had been considered by the Puritan preachers Increase (1639-1723) and Cotton Mather (1663-1728), and the late 18th-century Baptist minister Morgan Edwards, but it was John Nelson Darby who solidified the belief in the 1830s and placed it into a larger theological framework. \"\n\nWhich of course I've already debunked. \n\nHere is one more Catholic site Catholic Bridge.com Are Catholics into the Rapture? \n\n\"Catholics certainly believe that \"we will be caught up in the air\" (1 Thess 4:17) when the trumpet sounds. So Catholics do believe in the \"rapture\" if one is talking about the third option, the post-tribulation rapture (although they understand the 1000 years to mean \"a long time\", and not literally 1000 years Rev. 20:2-3; 7). The term \"rapture\" is derived from the text of the Catholic Latin Vulgate that was written in 390 A.D. It comes from 1 Thess. 4:17-\"we will be caught up,\" [Latin: rapiemur]).\n\nCatholics find no solid scriptural evidence that Jesus will come two or three more times. We think Scripture is clear that He will only come one more time. Catholics do not see any Biblical evidence as to why Christians should be \"spared\" the tribulation of the evil one. The Catholic Church feels that all Biblical evidence points to the contrary - that Christians will undergo great persecutions and tribulation. Catholics believe that history bears witness that the Church thrives under persecution.\n\nPerhaps we will win many converts to Christianity during the tribulation. Most humans (including me) are more disposed to a conversion of heart when things are bad. Nothing creates an open mind and opens someone to a personal relationship with Christ more than suffering. During the tribulation people will be looking for answers. They will be \"ripe\" for conversion.\"\n\nI just want to point out the tribulation is set into motion by Jesus opening the seals, so the Catholics saying no Christians should be spared the tribulation of the evil one, is painting Jesus as evil.\n\nRevelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.\n\nSo Jesus sends the antichrist to the world.\n\nBut this shows the Catholic stance is that Jesus will not be back for the millennium reign until the end. This is why I say the pope is trying to fake a millennium reign and a church revival without denominations. Especially with that line about the world being ripe for conversion in the time of tribulation. "},{"_id":"6bdeee5ac8f9f4723c000023","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7986035,"position":2.5,"parentId":"6bdcf81ac8f9f4723c000019","content":"# The theories"},{"_id":"6bdeeef7c8f9f4723c000024","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7986210,"position":1,"parentId":"6bdeee5ac8f9f4723c000023","content":"# Theories of Rapture\n\nI've touched on this a little bit but I want to define it out. \n\nWe have Pre-trib, which is the belief that the rapture will occur before the tribulation period starts. \n\nWe have mid-trib, which is the belief that the rapture will occur in the middle of the tribulation\n\nWe have pre-wrath, which is the belief that the rapture will occur right before the trumpet and bowl judgements, because they consider that God's wrath. They say there's no mention of God's wrath until after the 6th seal is broken. \n\nAnd we have post trib, which is the belief that the rapture will occur after the whole tribulation has occurred. As I've stated this is the belief of the Catholic Church. \n\n# Post Trib Debunk\n\nI've already discussed a few reasons why post trib does not make sense from the Catholic version. But it also just does not make sense from the bible. Why would people go up to meet Jesus in the air when he's on his way down to earth. This is when he stand on the earth again and sets up the new Jerusalem on earth. Why did people go up in the air at all?\n\nJesus told us to not not look back like Lot's wife, what kind of warning is that to not look back at the earth, when the judgements have come and people have longed to die but could not, and there's famine, and death. Who would want to stay on earth in that situation? No one would longingly look back at the earth and think, I should stay here for this, instead of meeting Jesus in the air?\n\nDoes that make any sense?\n\nJesus told us he's coming back when people are eating and drinking and giving in marriage. In the time of the wrath of God people are starving, and devsted at the loss of loved one, and longing to die, why would anyone be giving someone away in marriage at a wedding with a feast? How is that possible in the famine?\n\nAlso 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,\n\nThe post tribbers believe you have to go through the wrath to get pure, it's a Catholic belief like purgatory as I said.\n\nI still don't get why people would be going up to meet Jesus if he's way down to the earth, that's a U turn, you go up and go back down immediately. \n\n# Pre-Wrath Debunk\n\nI got led to the pre-wrath last year, before God led me out of it. This is based on the line that we're not appointed to wrath, it's as far into the tribulation period as you can get before the bible says the word wrath. \n\nRevelation 6 discusses the lamb, who I hope we can all agree is Jesus, opening up the seals. He opens the first one and the white horse is released and the antichrist is going out to conquer the land with a bow and a crown that was given to him. \n\nSo is this conquering power from the antichrist riding the white horse? No. Because he had to be given a crown and had to be given a bow, and had to be released, by whom? Jesus. \n\nThis book makes it clear that all of this is happening because God said so. If you believe Jesus is God, then you believe God just gave the antichrist power, if you believe Jesus is not God, then Jesus did what God told him to do, and God allowed the antichrist to be given power. \n\nThe ultimate authority was given by God. \n\nThe Old Testament confirms\n\nZephaniah 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith YHWH, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.\n\nSounds like the antichrist going around conquering the nations and gathering them together for the new world order is doing so because Yahweh wants him to, because he is using the antichrist to gather them up so Yahweh can pour upon them His indignation and fierce anger. Sounds like Yahweh was the one in charge. And if this is the case you agree, and were pre-wrath you are not pre-trib because the whole tribulation is His wrath. Welcome to the club.\n\n# Mid-trib\n\nOnce again, in the middle of the tribulation you have the antichrist spirit conquering the whole world, and bringing all nations together for God to pour out His indignation on, there's a horse of war. Now some people like to say there's always wars. That is the case, then what do you think the horse of war is bringing? World wide war, like war inside the country, civil wars, and wars against countries, and nation against nation I believe is actually ethnicity against ethnicity, it's not just about a third world war, but war everywhere, all over, everywhere you look. It has to be bigger than any other war ever was before to be a horse that is released, right?\n\nThen we have famine, same thing, people say people are starving right now, that's right. But a famine that is a horse released is going to be a world wide famine, and inflation where you can't even barely buy bread. \n\nAnd death, a horse of death. Death everywhere. \n\nDo you think you're going to look longingly on this world at this point like Lot's wife, and want to stay, rather than go up in the air with Jesus? \n\nDo you think people are going to be giving away in marriage in the middle of wars and famines like we've never seen before, they can't even pay for bread, and they're going to pay for a wedding to give away in marriage?\n\nJesus's words concerning his coming back to those who are saved, were to watch for his return, to have on the helmet of the hope of salvation. We have faith and hope. We walk by faith, not by signs. We are saved through faith. The tribulation period is a time when God will show His word is true, and start to show signs, like the two witnesses having control over the weather. \n\nThe bible tells us the Christians are saved by faith, and walk by faith. The Jews require a sign. 1 Corinthians 1:22"},{"_id":"6bdeb815c8f9f4723c000021","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7986032,"position":3,"parentId":"6bdcf81ac8f9f4723c000019","content":"# What does the bible say?"},{"_id":"6bdeec15c8f9f4723c000022","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7987671,"position":1,"parentId":"6bdeb815c8f9f4723c000021","content":"# The timeline\n\nIn this section of the video I'm going to discuss who is going through the time of Jacob's tribulation. It should be obvious by the name that was given to this time period, that Jacob also known as Israel is who is going to go through this time period because they have rejected Jesus their Messiah.\n\nI'm also going to put up a timetable here. Now I know those who have been following my videos for a while, know I have some theories about time loops for the Jews but for the sake of simplicity, keeping this video easy to understand, I'm not going to get into that with this video. \n\nSo we see the arrows on the timeline, represent the different rapture theories. \n\nNumber 1 is the pretrib theory, number 2 is the mid trib, which is 3 and half years into the tribulation, and number 3 is the pre-wrath theory which is after the 6th seal is opened, and number 4 is the post tribulation which is immediately before Jesus comes down to the earth, which is why it doesn't make sense to go up and come back down right away, since we're supposed to always be with the lord Jesus at that point. So I'm just going to take the post trib arrow off for the sake of having a clearer view. Just think of the last arrow as number 4 since it happens at the same time.\n\nAs I discussed previously there were members of the church that thought there was a pre-tribulation rapture. And I don't want to get into this too much here in this video. But I don't believe Jesus is God, as such I would be called a heretic by the Catholic Church. You can see the video \"When Jesus Became God\" for more on that. It's about the First Council of Nicaea from the Catholic Church in 325 AD. They came up with the Nicene Creed that says you need to believe Jesus is God in order to be called a Christian versus a heretic. The reason this happened, was because people did not believe Jesus was God beforehand. The Catholic Church has been attempting to force their beliefs on people through these councils for a long time. \n\nThe reason I bring this up is because there was another council mentioned by Doc Marquis, that people debate that it had anything to do with pre trib rapture being called a heresy. \n\nBut what they did do in a council that is absolute fact is add to the Nicene Creed. In 381 the Constantinopolitan Creed added the words \"whose kingdom shall have no end.\" This is saying that Jesus's kingdom shall have no end, which is interesting because I was studying this recently. The bible tells us Jesus gives up the reign and gives it back to God in 1 Corinthians 15:28, so it's no wonder they wanted to keep that hidden. They need people to think Jesus is God. \n\nConcerning the coucil of Nicaea, they wrote \n\n\"When these things had been read, the holy Synod decreed that it is unlawful for any man to bring forward, or to write, or to compose a different (ἑτέραν) Faith as a rival to that established by the holy Fathers assembled with the Holy Ghost in Nicæa.\n\nBut those who shall dare to compose a different faith, or to introduce or offer it to persons desiring to turn to the acknowledgment of the truth, whether from Heathenism or from Judaism, or from any heresy whatsoever, shall be deposed, if they be bishops or clergymen; bishops from the episcopate and clergymen from the clergy; and if they be laymen, they shall be anathematized. \"\n\nTo suggest that Jesus give up the reign of the kingdom to his Father, God would make you a heretic, and anathematized means cursed. \n\nBecause the Catholic Church says Jesus is God, they cannot say that Jesus's kingdom will end because the bible says God's kingdom will last forever. In this way they can't believe in a millennium kingdom by definition, because it's supposed to last forever. This is how they twist the scripture to say that the millennium kingdom reign of Jesus is not 1,000 years but forever. \n\nTo suggest the bible says Jesus gives the reigns over to his Father would probably have gotten you killed, but at the very least you were stripped of your office, and cursed according to their own words. \n\n1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. \n\n(Jesus delivers the kingdom to God, if Jesus is God that line would be delivered up the kingdom to the Father)\n\n25 For he (Christ) must reign, till he (Christ) hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For He (God) hath put all things under his feet. But when He saith, all things are put under him (Christ), it is manifest that He (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Christ). 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the son *also* himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.\n\nThe last line tells us it is speaking of God, and verse 24 also lets us know it's speaking of God. If Christ were God, it would say Father in those 2 locations. \n\nSo 300 years after Christ died, the Catholic Church decided to make people believe Jesus was God, and called it a heresy to believe anything else. In one of the councils they held they made sure to make Mary the mother of God, furthering their blasphemy. You can see the video playlist on the Catholic Church worshiping the pagan trinity for more information. \n\nAs I said, this is related to the millennium kingdom, because the Catholic Church cannot say that Jesus will reign for 1,000 years, because they believe Jesus is God and does not have to give the kingdom back to God after 1,000 years are over. This has been the point of these Catholic Councils from the beginning. \n\nSadly most Christians today will not even take the time to research where their beliefs come from. \n\nSo, when did the pre-wrath rapture come into use, where did it originate? \n\nFrom wikipedia,\n\n\"This view like pretribulationism, midtribulationism, and posttribulationism falls under the larger umbrella of premillennialism was formally named and publicized by Marvin Rosenthal in his book The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church, published by Thomas Nelson in 1990, at the prompting of his friend Robert Van Kampen, who went on to write The Sign and The Rapture Question Answered: Plain & Simple.\"\n\n1990... hmm. So the apostasy is the falling away from scripture at the end, before the man of sin can be revealed. 1990 sounds pretty recent to me. I'd never even heard of it until this past year. There were a few big Christian channels that were promoting it last year, and I am not blaming them, because I got dragged into it myself, but it sounds to me like it was probably from the Catholic Church in origin, as it states that the Christians have to go through the tribulation to test their faiths, sounds like purgatory. \n\nFrom a Catholic perspective, the best way to get someone to accept the Millennium kingdom without a rapture is to do this....\n\nGet people to believe that the rapture will be at the last minute, like pre-wrath, then fake everything. We have people who don't know if they're coming or going, we have people right now who think the seals have already been opened, they think Obama is the antichrist, they're primed to accept the real antichrist if they miss the rapture. \n\nI'm not saying that the pope will be the leader of the millennium kingdom, actually as far as I can tell, there isn't even a leader in his mind, because Jesus doesn't come back until the end and the Catholics don't think there has to be complete peace on earth during the millennium reign.\n\nThey can fake an antichrist, I think Obama was set up to be one by Nathan, the Jewish boy's NDEs testimony, as I've mentioned before I believe it was a false vision from the enemy. But they're laying it out to say Obama is the antichrist, and then they have the fake gog/magog war, and then perhaps, everyone leans into Christianity, you know the false one, the pagan trinity one where Mary is the mother of God? The children all start to have healing powers from demons and lying signs and wonders, and everyone starts thinking...man we're getting peace on earth through Jesus... I guess they were right about this amillenialism theory that we would have the kingdom on earth through Jesus working through us. \n\nThey don't even have to know it was the Catholic Church behind this amillenialism doctrine from the beginning. The Catholics who thought they had to go through purgatory to have the kingdom on earth will agree that tribulation was like purgatory, but we did it, we got the kingdom now, we helped to bring it in. \n\nThat's the antichrist spirit, the one saying people can bring in the kingdom of God without Jesus. \n\nThe people who think we have to go through the tribulation like to say to those who believe in the pre-trib rapture, what's going to happen when it doesn't happen? You'll lose faith in God? You'll take the mark? \n\nYou need to start worrying about yourselves. What's going to happen if you think we're already in tribulation? Are you going to be deceived? Do you think the antichrist is already on the stage? What if they fake an antichrist? You think he came, and you see Christians saving people's lives, and see people healed by the power of Christ supposedly, and the world starts to come together in Jesus's name? Are you going to be fooled into believing the millennium kingdom can happen without Jesus stepping foot on the ground? \n\nAlso what if a person thinks they're saved, from something they're doing, but they're really not, and they believe in the mid tribulation rapture. Now what is there's a rapture, and they're left behind, now they think, well I guess that was the middle of the tribulation, so I have 3 and half years more left, I guess I\"ll just endure to the end. But the rapture took place at the beginning, so three and a half years go by and they're looking for Christ to come, and then the antichrist comes on the scene, they're primed to receive the antichrist as their savior. \n\nYou can also see my video on what is the mark, people are so focused on the mark being some sort of chip, they don't know that they may already be primed to worship the beast. What if the beast is the pagan trinity with Jesus as his name? Will you worship him? What if some man like Nick Hall gets the world to come together for Christ and there's a revival of Christians? Are you going to stand firm that Jesus is not God and Jesus is coming back while the others call you a heretic? Because to me, that's the more likely scenario at this junction. \n\nThat's where God is leading me. And why are you so concerned with those of us who love Jesus's coming? If we are doing God's will everyday He will take care of us, if we pray to not be deceived we will not be, because God told us to ask Him and we will receive. \n\nI'm more concerned about the people out there who call me a heretic and don't ask God to show them if they are wrong. Because that's what it took for me to find out I was wrong. We're called to humble ourselves to find out if we have any flaws, any false doctrines tripping us up. \n\nWhen we humble ourselves and lean on God, that's when He lifts us up and guides us to the truth. \n\nAnd those who think they know that the rapture is not happening at the beginning, are primed to accept the antichrist kingdom especially if he comes in the name of Jesus Christ. \n"},{"_id":"6be0f3d2c8f9f4723c000025","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7987524,"position":2,"parentId":"6bdeb815c8f9f4723c000021","content":"# Timeline\n\nSo back to the timeline. \n\nIn my opinion, the pre-wrath rapture doctrine is part of the apostasy, of course there's more. As I've stated the Satanic creed if \"do what thou wilt\" and many Christians don't ask God what they should be doing each day, and instead focus on what they think they should be doing. They don't judge themselves, this all goes back to believing that Jesus is God and not thinking they can follow in his footsteps. Jesus had the same living God living inside of him, as we do. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ, and Christ means anointed, and Jesus was anointed with God's Holy Spirit. \n\nActs 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.\n\nGod with Jesus, which means they didn't believe Jesus was God, because no one who thought Jesus was God would say God was with Jesus. God was with God does not make sense. \n\nIt should have said The Father was with Jesus, otherwise. But people who think Jesus is God have spiritual blinders on.\n\nAnyway we're anointed with God's Holy Spirit too when we're born again, that's why we're brothers and sisters in Christ. \n\nSo there's an apostasy going on. People are waking up to it though. \n\n2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.\n\nIs the man of sin being revealed to us? If the temple of God is our body, which it is, and the pope is calling himself father, like our Father in heaven, and he came to the United Nations last year, called himself the pope which means father, and said he came in his own name. He came in the name of father, but it wasn't our Father in heaven's name he was using. He's opposed the true Father, he's called Jesus dying at the cross a failure, he rejected the son, which means he rejects the Father too. Is that not the definition of the man of sin seen here?\n\nThis was written from Paul to the church. But I'm ahead of myself. "},{"_id":"6be117e0c8f9f4723c000026","treeId":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","seq":7988470,"position":3,"parentId":"6bdeb815c8f9f4723c000021","content":"# Time Line\n\n2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. \n\nWhile Jesus was alive he had come only to Israel\n\nMatthew 15:24 He answered, \"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.\" \n\nJesus's ministry was to Jews. John the baptist came to Jews. Before Jesus died, the gospel was to the Jews. Some time after Jesus died and God raised him up again, then the gospel changed from going to Jews to going to Gentiles. \n\nRomans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office\n\nSo he's saying the Jews stumbled, not that they should fall, they will be saved, but because they stumbled, salvation came to the Gentiles also, in order for the Jews to be provoked to jealousy. \n\nWhat's going to make the Jews jealous in the time of Jacob's tribulation? Seeing a bunch of Christians having family members getting their heads chopped off, starving, and on the run to avoid getting the mark of the beast? Um, no. That wouldn't make me jealous. \n\nWhat would make them jealous? A bunch of Christians with Christ, escaping this whole time period already in the new Jerusalem that they were promised by their forefathers. \n\n7 mysteries were revealed to Paul, one of which is the rapture, this means that the rapture was not know to the Jews. I've discussed this before, but when the Jews asked Jesus when the kingdom would come, Jesus tells them an answer. Then a lot of people use it to say that's when the rapture happens, which makes no sense, since the Jews did not know what a rapture was or expect one. We have to rightly divide the truth and realize that Jesus was speaking to Jews who were not expecting a rapture. It does not mean Jesus never mentioned the rapture in his parables, because I believe he did, but the apostles didn't know what everything meant before Jesus died. That's why he has to explain things to them on the road to Emmaus.\n\nLuke 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.\n\nHe had to explain scriptures concerning himself to them after he died, as they still did not understand things. This clearly shows that what Jesus was telling them before his death was not always being understood but they wrote it down, so we could with the help of the Holy Spirit guiding us to the truth. \n\nMost of the people who try to say we have to go through the time of Jacob's tribulation are getting their doctrine from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They wrote about Jesus before he died for the most part, and that was when he had come for the Jews, and was speaking to the Jews for the Jews. \n\nThe New testament really occurs when Jesus died, so in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, they are Old Testament until Jesus dies, and then they are new testament. \n\nHebrews 9:15 “And for this cause he is the mediator of the New Testament that BY MEANS OF DEATH, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also OF NECESSITY BE THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR. For A TESTAMENT IS OF FORCE AFTER MEN ARE DEAD: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”\n\nHebrews 9:15-17 explains that it was after Jesus’ death that the New Testament took force.\n\nActs chapter 7 is about the preaching to the Jews, and Stephen telling them that they crucified Jesus who God sent to them, and they stone him. \n\nActs 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.\n\n54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.\n\nThey could have accepted Jesus, and he could have come down, but they didn't, so the next chapter talks about the gospel going to the gentiles. \n\nIn Matthew 24, it starts out with Jesus and a bunch of Jews, and they ask him what's going to happen at the end of the world, of course they know nothing about a rapture. So they ask him some questions and he answers them. Then, when Jesus is done answering them, he starts to say something else, he starts with the word \"now\" in order to separate what he was answering to them, and what he wants to talk about.\n\n32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. \n\nOf course people like to say that is referring to the tribulation as I've discussed somewhat recently, it's talking about the day heaven and earth will pass away. Then he starts a new thought. \n\nverse 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.\n\n42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the son of man cometh.\n\nHe's telling us to watch in the times when everyone is eating and drinking. That won't be happening in the time of Jacob's tribulation. \n\nAlso, there's another verse that lets us know we're to watch so we know what hour he is coming. \n\nRevelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.\n\nWhich implies if you do watch he will not come upon you as a thief. \n\nIn Matthew 24 The Jews ask him some questions, when Jesus speaks clearly, he is answering their questions, when Jesus switches to parables he's dealing with us because they're mysteries that the Jews were not going to understand. Only those who got the anointed with the Holy Spirit after his death would be able to understand if God wanted them to know.\n\nThis is probably why we see so many so called Christians pointing to things the Jews said and things written to Jews, because they don't love the truth and have not been able to understand the parables yet. \n\nI have another parable they don't understand that I will explain. As I said Matthew 24 is about Jesus speaking to the Jews plainly, answering their questions, then he switches to parables on them, and I'll start at verse 42 which I just read but for context\n\n42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.\n\n45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to beat his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.\n\nSo this is a parable to us. Jesus is our Lord and he gave us talents to use to help and do God's will with. How much we do God's will changes how many talents we have gained since he's been away. That's another parable, but we are supposed to be working for our Lord Jesus while we're here. He left and we're ruling over these talents, blessed is the one who is found using those talents, when Jesus comes back. Jesus will then make you ruler over all his goods. But if there is another servant, a brother or sister in Christ, who says in their heart, their lord Jesus delays his coming, he shall beat his brothers and sisters, fellow servants, and start to eat and drink with the drunken. \n\nSo this is our brothers and sisters who say Jesus is not coming before the time of Jacob's tribulation, they say is going to delay his coming, then they focus on stockpiling food in case of martial law, and start exercising getting ready to have to run for their lives, and focus on the government's crack down on people, perhaps hoping that Trump will save America. They start to think like those who are drunken on the things of this world. There are many people who think they are awake, they think they know important truths, like the earth is flat, 9/11 was an inside job, martial law is coming, but they do not know Jesus, they are not saved, and they do not think Jesus is coming to get them, they are the drunken, and there are Christians right now, who are drinking with the drunken. They are so focused on the problems in the world, and trying to fix it like voting for Trump, or planning a revolution against the government, they are not focusing on what matters, that people cannot save themselves from what is coming. Only faith in Jesus is going to save people. \n\nNow these supposed Christians, fellow servants are beating on us, those who say Jesus is coming back soon. \n\nWhy is it that those who believe in the pretrib rapture are calm, cool, and collected talking to those who believe in the mid-post trib rapture, but those who believe in a mid to post trib rapture call those who believe in the pretrib rapture heretics for believing the bible?\n\nIt's what the parable is talking about. \n\n50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.\n\nThose people will be appointed their portion with the hypocrites. Because they did not have the helmet of the hope of salvation on, they did not have faith that Jesus was coming to get them. \n\nLuke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?\n\nJesus is looking for faith. In the time of Jacob's trouble, you will either know because of the signs and wonders like the 2 witnesses or you will be deceived by the beast. There's no wondering about faith. \n\nAnd about those 2 witnesses and the verses about the time of Jacob's tribulation, have you ever noticed how they all have to do with the same location. Judea, Israel. Those in Judea flee into the mountains, the 2 witnesses die around where Jesus was killed. Location, location, location. It is about the Jews who have been gathered up by God. The Jews require a sign. We don't. \n\nI'll leave some links below also to pre-tribulation rapture study videos. There's a lot more to say. \n\nI think I'm going to wrap this up. Feel free to ask questions below, and The people who are the tribulation saints are obviously the hypocrite Christians who got left behind. They have to start keeping the commandments of God and having the faith in Jesus that they didn't have before the rapture happened. So that's why they have to wash their robes in Revelation. \n\nWe're supposed to have white robes currently. Remember the letters to the 7 churches. The luke warm Christians are naked, and need to be given robes. \n\nThe reason there is a multitude of them in Revelation is because not many people are honestly looking forward to Jesus's return any day and keeping His commandments right now, and doing God's will everyday. \n\nWe're barely. The wheat has to have the tribulum roll over it to get the sin off. That's why it's called the tribulation. If you were already clean had the Holy Spirit blow away your sin like the barley being winnowed, you would not have to have a tribulum run over your back. Thanks for listening and have a blessed day. \n\n"}],"tree":{"_id":"6bdcf33ac8f9f4723c000016","name":"Rapture/TimeofJacobsTrouble","publicUrl":"rapture-timeof-jacobs-trouble"}}